Episode Transcript
[00:00:16] Speaker A: Hello and welcome to Interrogation where guidance will always find you when you need it. I am your guide, Dusty. I use they he pronouns. And today I'm joined by someone that probably doesn't need an introduction. Multiple award winning, incredible artists, beautiful role player and thaumaturge. But see, why don't you talk about yourself?
[00:00:37] Speaker B: Oh Dusty, you're being so nice to me. The guide of my heart, truly. Hi everyone. My name is C. I use they them pronouns and you can find me making very trans, very gay art on the Internet at cplays rpg. You will probably know me from my role on Transplantar rpg. I am the dramaturg producer and a performer on that, that channel, my home channel, Stories from the Heart Live on Transplanter for me.
And I am so, so, so excited to be here today.
[00:01:13] Speaker A: I'm very, very happy to have you, especially hearing about who we're going to be talking to today.
If you like to tell us and tell us a little bit about them.
[00:01:24] Speaker B: Yeah, upon the, upon hearing about this show, generally speaking, before I even got an inv, hoped that I would be able to bring this character to this table. Particularly because I am bringing Rune Ruination, Iron Sworn, the God Killer of Heretic.
The Heretic, God killer of iron 42 to the table. And I'm so excited to do so because of their world's connection to Tarot as is already and just because I haven't gotten to be in Ruhn's mind space or play as this character in quite a long time. Over a year now. And I'm really, really glad to be bringing them back. My Blorby.
[00:02:09] Speaker A: I'm very excited and slightly scared for the guide.
Positively. But also. But we'll see how that, we'll see how that goes. But tell us a little bit about Ruhn for those who may have not listened to their story or parts of it. Their stories so far.
[00:02:30] Speaker B: Absolutely. So kind of the, the tagline for Ruhn's show, which is again on Transplanter, is God Killer, First Blood. Ruhn is a dirt poor heretic from the mining district of Iron 42.
And they essentially get tied up in a lot of scary divine mess and become intimately connected with the devil.
They go on this long, wild, wicked journey to figure out what happened to their fellow heretics after a really incredible disaster befalls them at the hands of the devil, of course. So this quest for vengeance turns into a quest for identity, turns into a quest for truth, turns into a story about saving the world ultimately and a story about saving yourself while you save the world.
And how those two things are mirrored and parallel. And for me, Ruhn is one of my favorite archetypes.
This character who is so deep to my heart as someone who has a lot of. Has a lot of problems and issues. And ultimately one of the deepest explorations I take with Ruhn is one of like, deep, deep, deep seated grief.
One that kind of mirrors the loss of many people, survivor's guilt.
All of these different things that comes up with this character, and all of them are rooted in, in experiences of grief and change and transformation, as many of my characters are. But specifically Ruhn really, like, was my exploration of that interestingly fun. Little fun. Fact is that Ruhn technically was a home game character. Connie and I had been play testing God Killer in a home game which we ran for like several months. And then we were like, okay, well, God Killer is coming out. The ashcan is coming out. I'd love to have a miniseries for it. Let's just use Ruhn again. Like, let's, let's re. Let's tell their story again in a different way. And the two stories are very different.
So super, super, super different in terms of their content. Like in the home game that we ran. For folks who are familiar with First Blood, Run was at the Citadel much earlier.
Antigone and AOS are the two companion NPCs. SL love interests that Ruhn meets and bonds with over the course of the story.
Don't know that they're the God Killer in that home game. Like, there's a lot of stuff, secrecy. They're at the Citadel for a long time acting as Antigone's champion for a while because AOS gets wounded. It's this whole long thing. But we kind of like, we divested from that storyline since it was quite a long storyline to condense into 16 episodes.
And I'm really, really proud of and very happy with the story that we made together.
That second iteration of Ruhn also came about for me at a time where I was really dealing with a lot of internalized self criticism, a lot of, like, reckoning with my role, purpose and identity within actual play. And a lot of that had been really deeply shaken and like, it was very hard to be able to let myself be a person and be a character unashamedly and unabashedly.
I'm just kind of. I'm just chatting now insofar as, like the recording of First Blood was very difficult for me.
Not because, not because necessarily the story was difficult. The story resonated with me in ways that were Very deep. Right.
Thinking about people that I've lost. The way that Ruhn's story resonates with my own but specifically being able to play a character with my whole heart was really hard and there were times where we had to stop recording because I would just start crying crying because I was being really, really self critical and I had no like no gauge for what I was doing the worth of what I was doing.
And so for me there's something really really special about the reception of First Blood. The reception of Ruhn like within the fan community and just within the community at large of like having one of the most difficult characters I've ever played. Not because I didn't like them but because of where my mind was at be so well received and received with so much kindness, care and love and resonance.
That makes Ruhn like a kind of an extra special character for me because they're kind of the character who, who got me through a period where I like wasn't sure if I wanted to keep, if I could keep doing actual play. And they're the character that like carried me through that through their like charming like charming silly bad boy meets grief stricken character with a heart who just wants to change the world and just wants to make their friends and family proud.
[00:07:54] Speaker A: No, I, I remember the reception to verse one I didn't, I couldn't catch it at the time of release just because the plight of producing actual plays is hard to listen to your friends work but it incredible And I in preparation for this because I knew who we were going to be talking to, I watched the first episode again and just like see see Gorgeous.
[00:08:24] Speaker B: Good stuff.
[00:08:25] Speaker A: But really I, what you mean about being an actual play? I think if anyone who has been doing actual play for any certain amount of time as I think that really resonates, it resonates with me even, even for this is gonna, this, this is getting a little realer than the show tends to be but not on a bad way but like I, I, I've had quite literally the same I thought process the same vibes going through with this show but everyone that is brought on has been so, so excited, so loving about their characters and that's kind of what I want to do the show. I want to hear stories that people don't actually get to share so often.
[00:09:14] Speaker B: Yeah. And to give you back to Dusty, this is a really beautiful show and the space to just blab about like the deeper parts of the character and what it means to me is something that I find extremely uplifting and I think you should be very proud.
[00:09:30] Speaker A: Thank you. That's very lovely to hear.
I. It's something that I've been meaning to do for years. I probably said this on the show already, but I've been meaning to do this, I think, for like five years in a different format. And then this year, 2024 is when I fell in love with Tarot and, like, it kind of married the ideas of it.
But yeah. But yeah, enough about me. We're here about you and Rune.
I have a couple questions to kind of like get you even deeper into their headspace.
Yeah.
[00:10:05] Speaker B: It's been so long. I'm ready. I'm ready.
[00:10:07] Speaker A: I. I usually ask these in reverse order, but I think knowing a bit about their arc, it's better to do it in this order.
Has there been anything that runs believed to be true but has. Was shaken by any experiences?
[00:10:24] Speaker B: Yes, yes, definitely. I think a lot of their.
A lot of their story is about having these firm beliefs that are then shaken.
I think when we first find them in the show, especially after the time skip that comes right in the first episode, there is a belief that I think from Rune, that they will always be empty, that they will never find the love that they had amongst the heretics ever again.
And for context and clarity, in the first episode, Rune is a part of a group of heretics, because this is a God killer game who do not believe in the power of the gods, essentially, and fight to make a world free from the attention of gods or the control of gods.
So all that said, basically everyone in Runes Found Family dies to the devil who has tricked them into some kind of unknown deal.
And Ruhn comes out of that with the idea that, number one, there will never be a God that they could ever love, and number two, that they will never be able to find the love, care and community of the family that they lost that day, and that they will always be broken and always be empty. And that kind of is the foundation where they start. And the entire story, I think, ultimately is about acknowledging for me, this is like part of my theme ethos. And my thesis statement when I think about these themes is that grief is something that is never going to leave us.
And Ruhn is never going to get over or move on from the pain that they feel with losing the heretics. But they are going to be able to live again and make new connections and find new love, and grief is not the only thing they will ever be able to feel.
Instead of the grief getting smaller, the world around the grief starts to grow larger and they get to experience all of that.
And that's always really important to me, that grief is also an act of love and that love can never die and that love can never be taken away from them.
And I think that's. That's one of the huge things that Ruhn learns, both with other characters like Eos and Antigone, but also with the gods, with their relationship with the devil and death and the star and so on and so forth.
Because as I mentioned earlier, God, Killer, First Blood, the gods of this world are based on the major arcana and the minor arcana as well, so. So there's a really fun meta narrative we're getting to play with here.
[00:13:19] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. Which I'm very, very excited to get into.
But in. In that same vein, has there been anything, a constant that despite or in spite of everything, that they have always believed to be true and know it in their heart?
[00:13:41] Speaker B: There's a repeating motif for me, for Ruhn, the phrase that they utter in the very first episode that kind of comes up again and again of like, I decide when I die. And I think for Ruhn, something that has always been true is that self determination is like the most important thing for them. And like, thinking about their identity is something that they get to choose. They get to choose the path of their life. They get to carve it out for themselves between destiny, between what the gods want them to do, what other people want them to do. They have to figure out how and when they want to live and how and when they want to die ultimately and eventually.
And being able to claim that and claim living as a thing that they want really is, is, I think one of those.
Those cornerstones for Rune that I think has always remained the same. They have a very strong self. Sense of determination and like that being paired alongside of devotion. Right. Choosing what you're going to devote yourself to.
[00:14:53] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Kind of like when you're saying that, it reminds me of the very popular screen cap of Undertale. Despite everything, it's still you.
[00:15:04] Speaker B: Yeah, despite everything, it's still you.
[00:15:06] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:07] Speaker B: And you get to choose.
[00:15:09] Speaker A: Yeah, I. I think that's very.
A very powerful motif, a very powerful thought, especially coming from room for knowing the world that they live in and knowing what they had to come through and even like knowing where they grew up and live their life.
Tragic, but beautiful.
[00:15:29] Speaker B: Yeah. Just something I feel like always, you know, every character has a little piece of me in. In them. Metaphorized and taken beyond and interwoven, of course, with Connie as The GM for this story and many others that like that, that little tragedy of. Of living right is something that resonates with me in my lived experience. And then with Rune too is like, oh, we carry who we are and everything we are with us, but we get to decide how and what we're going to do with the experiences we've had.
Ultimately, it's important to me. It's important to run.
[00:16:13] Speaker A: My next question will kind of like it will lead us to our reading. But I was wanting to know so where and I guess when we'll be. We'll be talking to Room and what do you think they would actually be searching for?
[00:16:34] Speaker B: I love the idea. I think that we're gonna meet Ruhn after the end of the series. So post episode 16 the river has returned.
And I love to do this thing in a lot of my stories where endings are just the beginning of a different story.
And I think we might find Rune at the beginning of a different story. What it means to actually live their life now that they found the truth. What it means to be the God killer now in this different, strange, beautiful world that is perfectly their own and perfectly vicious and perfectly beautiful.
So I think we'll find Ruhn there. Specifically, I love the idea of Ruhn parsing their way through the wreckage and ruins of the citadel after it has been destroyed.
And they are looking for, I don't know, anything, people, survivors, looking to help. I think ultimately all of what Run comes down to is they're looking to help.
[00:17:42] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:17:45] Speaker B: I think.
[00:17:46] Speaker A: I think we should move on to the actual reading.
So see if you would.
Why didn't you bring us into the actual scene set the scene of where Rune is going through the celadome, where they happen upon someone, someplace that decides to help them.
[00:18:13] Speaker B: I think at first we see stained glass, pieces of it shattered, fragments of it, all colors and hues, strewn across a dark rain, slicked stone ground.
Pieces of it I think are quiet, reflecting the sky, reflecting the mirage of the river that runs through the heavens.
And then in that reflection on the ground, still slightly wet from the rain from the night before, there's a flash of movement and then a crunch as someone's boot falls over the stained glass.
And then we pan up and we find the owner of that boot.
Ruhn Ironsworn.
Well muscled individual with this kind of tousled brown and white hair streaked at the front.
Broad shoulders, a cunning expression on their face.
Two different colored eyes. One storm gray, the other dark sclera and red iris.
But the look on Their face as we pan around and see that they are crunching through rubble. This huge pile of black obsidian rock and stained glass that used to be a tower that you could see from anywhere in the world. It's now mostly lopsided in the middle of a giant city.
I imagine a lot of this place has been roped off for the safety of those who still live in the citadel capital, the Cradle. But Ruhn of course, is parsing their way through looking for items that folks have lost, looking for people who may also be scrounging around in these ruins.
And the mismatch gazed, I think pans up and then down into a little tent kind of pitched against some of that black obsidian rock. A half open cracked window kind of tilted to the side as though a door.
Their interest perks. They blink and tilt their head and they start approaching it.
[00:20:38] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think as you are approaching this tent just kind of pitched up where it could be, you feel like you are being welcomed to the inside.
And as Ruhn go lifts up the flap and they see someone sitting there, a small source of light to decide where it's not to be bothered by anyone. And there's a figure there with fairly plain looking clothes. The striking thing about them is that where their faces, they seem to have maybe a mask because you see a straps going to the back and it's just porcelain, A blank porcelain face, almost. Almost reflective.
And as they see, they like, oh.
Oh, hello. May. May I. May I help you?
[00:21:40] Speaker B: Well, and Rune kind of looks back, looks back at this person.
I'd like to roll to recognize a God or an influence. Their influence. Not really. Just kidding.
[00:21:50] Speaker A: Wrong game.
[00:21:51] Speaker B: Run thinks about it. But then for some reason it doesn't work this time. And they go, huh?
You do know that this place is dilapidated, right? You should be careful on the rocks.
[00:22:03] Speaker A: They look at you and say, I'm only here temporarily. I. I noticed all the rubble and thought that maybe I could help some people as well.
And I think maybe you do you need some help?
[00:22:21] Speaker B: Me?
[00:22:22] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:22:24] Speaker B: Help with what exactly?
Because I was actually here helping people too.
And Ruhn kind of casually comes into the tent fully all the way, pauses, puts their hands on their hips.
You came out here just to help people?
I've never met you before. My name's Ruhn.
[00:22:45] Speaker A: You Good. Nice to meet you, Rin. I. I came here to help in a sense that I know.
I noticed a place filled with people unsure of what to do. And I think that's where I usually am welcomed.
I. I just go by the guide.
[00:23:08] Speaker B: Something comes over run then the semi reflective quality of the mask.
The easy comfort that this person exudes, that this space exudes. Like they've stepped into another world completely.
And they remember the begrudging and terse words of Antigone. You have to let people help you.
And Ruhn brings their hands back down, kind of looks at them, looks at the calluses of them. The old bruises forming on their knuckles shifts as the twin swords on a shared chain rattle against their hip.
You know what?
Yeah, yeah, why not? I.
Maybe I could use some guidance actually.
[00:24:03] Speaker A: Well, please, please sit down.
I.
I carry this and they're gonna reach into their like a breast pocket and pull out a deck of cards that really should have fitted there, but comes out regardless and places it down and offers you a seat opposite them where there's like a small blanket to kneel down or sit, however you feel comfortable with.
[00:24:30] Speaker B: Rune just plops down.
They like shake the table a little bit. Oh, sorry.
[00:24:36] Speaker A: It's okay. It's okay. Be comfortable.
[00:24:37] Speaker B: Here.
[00:24:40] Speaker A: I carry these with me and they're gonna pat this cards, this deck of cards to put on the table.
Deep black background with a blue pattern mimicking suns and moons on it.
And they are saying these, I use these cards. They carry names and words of those.
I believe you call them the gods here.
Yeah, they, they are used as a tool to kind of help people, not necessarily answer questions because usually the answers are only found within yourself.
They are here to guide you along their way. And anything that you may be searching for, I help interpret them and help you go along your path.
[00:25:39] Speaker B: You do a lot of good work.
[00:25:43] Speaker A: I, I try to go to those that need it.
[00:25:50] Speaker B: Well, if this is a message from you or a message from the gods, maybe I need it.
[00:25:57] Speaker A: Well, while we go ahead and set the plate, if we would, they're going to pull off three cards from the top and they're going to point to them as they speak to you. It's like well, so how I do these readings is that here's these three cards and some people interpret them differently. I see this one, some people say that this one is the past, the present, the future, pointing them from left to right then. But they then point at the one on the far left again and say for me, this one, this is usually the root of what's on your mind, your problem, your possible solution.
Over here is the main thing affecting the main thing that's growing into as if this is the roots of a tree and this is the actual trunk popping out of the ground for everyone to see it.
This last one, I tend to see it.
It's the same branches. Is it the same tree bearing fruit that you don't know it carries?
And usually it puts into context of these other two as a poll. It tells you a story of what you may need to go, where you need to be, who you need to help, who you need to be.
[00:27:21] Speaker B: You couldn't have come like six months ago, could have really needed this then.
Maybe I still need it now.
I think I do still need it now.
[00:27:32] Speaker A: Maybe you didn't need it then. Who could say?
But hey, why don't we start if you're ready.
[00:27:40] Speaker B: I'm ready.
[00:27:41] Speaker A: Beautiful.
They are going to flip over the first card, which is going to be the 10 of coins, reversed.
Okay, so this is interesting.
So the 10 of coins usually is about one's affluence, their natural conventions, some kind of permanence that they are looking for.
When it's reversed in these cards, it tends to be that it's either none of that or there's something blocking all of this, Something blocking a sense of permanence, blocking your, you know, affluence, being able to help or have those kind of things.
[00:28:38] Speaker B: So kind of like the hierophant who. Who rules the domain of.
Well, that's the domain of cups, domain of coins.
Dido and Ajax.
There.
There have been a lot of things holding me back in my life from being able to take root.
Even now, I'm not really back home, back rooted and unmoored.
Even if I went back to iron 42, I don't know if I'd ever really fit there.
And I don't know if I fit here in the citadel either.
And maybe I won't ever fit. And maybe that's.
Maybe that's because I don't need to have 10 coins. Maybe I just need to have me.
Is that weird?
[00:29:39] Speaker A: No, no, no, that makes sense.
That makes. That makes absolute sense.
There's a phrase I've heard a long time ago is sometimes you just can't go back home.
[00:29:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, unrooted and unmoored.
[00:30:00] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:30:01] Speaker B: Makes sense.
[00:30:01] Speaker A: These roots are no longer in the ground.
Let's. Let's see what this other one says. They're gonna flip over the middle card.
That'll be interesting.
This is the 8 of wands in reference to the 10 of coins, reverse. It's interesting because this usually means about making conclusions, acting quickly on yourself, trying to send or receive messages to let people know what's going on.
But reference to this just seems perhaps something that's blocking that.
Maybe acting too quickly is not what you should be doing.
[00:30:52] Speaker B: Well, Athamas is the first God I ever killed. Is the vassal of the emperor and the empress and the God of my home, Iron 42. He was the 10 of wands.
I wonder if carrying this message, message of what I did, the message of who I am as the God killer, is the thing that's blocking me from ever being able to settle that duty. That.
The message. The signal fire.
[00:31:35] Speaker A: Let's. Let's look at those branches.
They're gonna turn over the last card and they're gonna reveal the eight of swords.
Eight of swords in the last spot.
Here. The.
The fruits that you're aware that you were bearing.
It's about restriction.
Feeling powerless, confused on your path.
It.
I mean, tying this all together. What I read is that you feel that you have so much weight to bear that that's all you could do.
[00:32:23] Speaker B: Don't I?
[00:32:33] Speaker A: Your story is not done.
What you've done is merely a chapter of your life.
Thinking that it all comes down to you neglects the fact of all those that you've helped and all those who will help.
[00:32:59] Speaker B: Yeah. Maybe it does.
There's this woman, sir. Sloane Iscariot.
She's the champion of swords.
Anyone, if anyone, was held down by the weight of destruction and devotion purpose, it's her. I've always wondered where she.
Where she went after everything. Who she is now.
One of many.
Many people in this world.
All of us carry a weight like that. I think.
[00:33:46] Speaker A: Everyone carries their own story. Can only hope to have someone to tell it with.
[00:33:59] Speaker B: So what you're saying is that I need more than me and my swords wandering around in the ruins?
[00:34:07] Speaker A: I am not saying that. But I think you said it very well yourself.
[00:34:17] Speaker B: You know, I think that Jung would really like you.
You sound like him in a lot of ways.
[00:34:26] Speaker A: Well, maybe I'll meet them someday.
You know what?
Here. They're gonna pick up the eight of swords and hand it to you and say, hold on to this. When you know where you are, you'll be able to feel it rip this card up into a million pieces.
[00:34:51] Speaker B: Yeah, I think I can do that.
[00:34:57] Speaker A: They hand that card to you, and the mask looks up at you. The light reflecting off it, seeing your own eyes in it.
And they say in the same tone, is you have any other questions that this deck may need or anything else I could help you with.
[00:35:21] Speaker B: Well, I guess I just wanted to say thanks.
I've never seen the gods like this? Exactly.
And if I'm supposed to be looking for people to help share the weight, well, I hope you are too.
[00:35:42] Speaker A: I'm doing my best.
[00:35:47] Speaker B: Would your cards be able to tell me what Antigone might really like for her anniversary with Eos? That's coming up. Like, as a gift, or is that kind of a thing that I should. Should figure out? It's probably a thing I should figure out for myself.
[00:36:00] Speaker A: You should probably figure out yourself. Yeah.
[00:36:03] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
Thanks anyway.
Yes.
[00:36:09] Speaker A: And if you ever need to chat again, you'll be able to find me.
[00:36:18] Speaker B: Are you a God?
[00:36:21] Speaker A: No. No. Just someone who likes to help.
[00:36:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
Okay.
And there's this little smile plays in the corner of Rune's mouth as they take that card and they tuck it into a important place at their hip, right against the hilt of their sword. They tuck it there against their sword.
They nod. They pull themselves up to their full height.
Thanks.
I do.
I think I needed this.
[00:36:56] Speaker A: Glad to be here.
Continue on your way.
[00:37:02] Speaker B: And you continue on yours too. And if you do end up seeing Jiang somewhere beyond the beyond, then tell him I said I'm doing okay.
[00:37:16] Speaker A: Sure will.
[00:37:19] Speaker B: Take care. Guide till next time they wave you off.
[00:37:26] Speaker A: And I believe as you're leaving this tent, the camera is focused on it. And the way Rune leaves, you pass in front of the camera and it disappears as soon as it's back in two views.
I think that's where we'll leave this reading.
Wow.
What a reading.
[00:37:52] Speaker B: What a reading.
[00:37:53] Speaker A: Really hitting home.
[00:37:55] Speaker B: Yeah. Just right to. Right to the point with Rune.
[00:38:00] Speaker A: How. How did you. How do you.
How. How do you feel? How do you think Ruin feels about this reading for them?
[00:38:10] Speaker B: I really liked it. I think it really resonates with where I think of them because like I said, I like to form my stories. At the end of one story is the beginning of another.
And so at the end of my stories, I don't like the idea that any of my characters are ever fixed or ever good now. Right. And I think this reading points to, like, a lot of the deeper problems that Ruhn has to deal with in their life. And when they think about themselves, when they think about what it's like to.
To choose to live and then being like, okay, well, living comes with a lot of shit, actually, including, like, being unrooted, carrying the weight of the world on your own shoulders, like, being this. This transience was something that I didn't think about ruin until we were talking about it. And I was like, oh, yeah, I don't think that they have. They, like, don't know.
They know who they are now, but that means that they can never go back to being who they were before. They can never really go back to being just a heretic in Iron 42. They're the God Killer now. They can't just be at the Citadel with Antigone and Eos. They're the God Killer now. And so there's this, like. This gaining of an identity and also losing of an identity, or like, this. This desire to be like, all right, well, all of these things that you've built up are kind of like these coins are kind of slipping through your fingers now. Right. And now you're. It's kind of like being stripped bare, where you're like, I just have to figure out who I'm going to be now.
Right. And this, like, the fire, the beautiful imagery on the card of the bird with the fire was really, really resonating for me as who Ruhn is is like.
And this is like a whole God Killer thing where, like, I think of the God Killer as a signal fire to the world.
And in a lot of ways, that is lonely work, and it is transient work. And it is like this way of being a warning, a lighthouse, a signal fire as an individual.
Right. Which I think is really beautiful and really tragic at the same time, which resonates for me a lot about who Rune is, where they'll go, where I would want them to go, where I take them.
So it was also really fun to think of the. I pulled up my, like, the God Killer character references, too. Yeah. Like, to pull, like, okay, coin, wands and swords. And to be like, okay, what characters do these relate to? Because Rune in character would think of them in relation to their domains, essentially to the gods they are or serve. So it was really cool to get to pull in specifically with that middle card, Athmos, the untying soil, the 10 of wands, as kind of like the. That was the fire that lit. And this is the message that Ruhn is now tearing through the world with. Right. Like, I am the God Killer.
[00:41:16] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:41:18] Speaker B: And the end, too. I love. I love that the guide gave them that card to tear up when they were ready.
So I think Rune is good at a task and will be able to think about it more when they have a physical reminder of something they need to work on.
[00:41:40] Speaker A: Yeah, I.
I try to pull on that when I'm in that scene where I see.
When I.
When I see something that, like, this is, like, the resonance that your character is going to be thinking about.
And I. Yeah, I think I just listening just through the reading, like, yeah, no, they need this. They need to, like, hey, you need to.
When you're ready, you need to remember that you can get rid of this loneliness. You need to destroy it in order to move on. Just like you destroyed gods, you're a God killer.
[00:42:14] Speaker B: Yeah. You need to tear up this card as a way to tear up these other things inside of you that are. That are keeping you chained Right. In your loneliness, in your.
In your overburdening of yourself.
[00:42:28] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:42:30] Speaker B: It's nice to kind of. To pull on the, like, the hint that other characters have already told Rune similar things like Antigone right at the beginning. Like, Antigone being like, you have to let other people help you. And that the cards were like, you have to let other people help you. Exactly. It's kind of like a double where I almost imagine maybe that Run will give Antigone that card ripped up for, like, the anniversary present and be like, okay, this is what I'm giving you. A true and deep reliance on you as a person.
[00:43:01] Speaker A: That's very good. That's very good.
And like, I. I need to stress this for those listening, that these are actual card polls for every single episode. I. I shuffle the deck. This is the Tarot Divine. I described the back of the actual.
[00:43:16] Speaker B: Thing, and it's beautiful.
[00:43:19] Speaker A: It's a gorgeous. It's by, let's see, Yoshi Yoshitani.
They do gorgeous artwork. And each. Each card is pulling off from different history, different mythos, different folklore and all that.
Like, I'm.
That would be a wild one to pull. The next card, just for instance, to show you is the Wheel of Fortune.
[00:43:45] Speaker B: Oh, that's wild.
[00:43:48] Speaker A: Yeah. And then wild, it's showing about the spider God, but, yeah, gosh, gorgeous. And, like, the imagery, I feel, is very spot on. Especially like the 10 of coins is.
It's reversed, but it's like being together with a whole lot of people.
[00:44:07] Speaker B: So many people.
[00:44:08] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:44:08] Speaker B: It's like losing the heretics.
Like all 21 dams, you know. Oh, God, I love them.
[00:44:15] Speaker A: Well, I think this was beautiful. It was gorgeous.
I loved hearing about Run. I love talking to Rune.
I think we are gonna head out, but before we do, again, see, remind people where everyone could find you, where they could find Rune before all of this.
[00:44:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Thank you so much, first and foremost, Dusty, for hosting, for being an incredible guide. This was so much fun. And I am so grateful for the opportunity to come on and spend time and have this reading, which really just feels like there's so much we can take from it too is the people who embody our characters. And I really really enjoyed it. So thank you for having me on first and foremost.
[00:44:58] Speaker A: Thank you.
[00:44:59] Speaker B: Otherwise, hi everyone, my name is Si, I use they them pronouns and you can find me all over the Internet playing very deeply sad, very deeply beautiful, very deeply complex queer trans characters dealing with a lot of grief and a lot of their own bullshit a lot of the time.
You can find me personally just on all social medias@cplays RPG.
You can also find me all the time as the producer, dramaturk and a performer on Transplanter rpg which is Rune's home ultimately my home as a performer. If you don't know, Transplanter is an all transgender person of color led dark fantasy actual play series set in a non colonial anti orientalist world. We tell stories about rage, grief, catharsis and what it means to build a better world in search of trans love, trans joy and radical solidarity and care.
So if that sounds like it's your jam, if you liked the concept of Rune that I was talking about, you will like where we are going in future episodes and future projects.
God Killer First Blood is the very first Godkiller actual play from Transplanter RPG. It is an audio only scene 16 part series that follows Run the God Killer through the viciously divine world of the cradle, specifically iron 42. So if any of this has piqued your interest, it is on all podcatchers. It is also in video form on YouTube.
No video element aspect, but if you like YouTube better than Spotify or Apple Music or Podbean or anything like that, you could check it out over there.
You can also find more God Killer stories, the first in studio project from Transplanters God Killer Last Hope, recently wrapped. So if you liked First Blood, you'll like Last Hope, so check it out. But otherwise I again I'm just so grateful to have this opportunity to hang out with the cards. My little my little enjoyment of the Wheel of Fortune is the Wheel of Fortune is Oka's card. So that was Oka just kind of being like behind like present in the background of the reading. That was Oka just the next card over. We want to talk about our Plurbo there.
[00:47:20] Speaker A: That's so good.
That's so good.
Well thank you again. See. Thank you to all listening and remember, guidance will always find you whether you like it or not.
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