[00:00:48] Speaker A: Hello and welcome to Interrogation, where guidance will always find you. I'm Dusty and I use the he pronouns. And today I'm joined by the very talented, award winning Saffron. Why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself, please?
[00:01:03] Speaker B: Hello, I'm Saffron Heftagalb. My handle pretty much everywhere is Aubhefta.
I am an actual play performer, fan studies scholar, video editor. I have made podcasts with Midnight ceremonies media and I have appeared on a couple livestream shows. I don't know when this will come out, so I don't know if we can plug the thing that we did together.
[00:01:40] Speaker A: Maybe not. Maybe not yet. Cool.
[00:01:42] Speaker B: Cool.
Yeah. Then I'll just say you can find most of the work I've been a part
[email protected] and that the show that I've been a player on with MCM is the character I'm bringing today.
[00:02:06] Speaker A: That's very, very exciting. Also, people listening just this. It may sound a little different because we're live.
[00:02:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:14] Speaker A: We're doing this in person, which is very, very exciting for me, as every recording for the most part has been digitally. So I think this is gonna be a very, very fun experience.
But yes. Why don't you tell us about this character, if you would, please.
[00:02:30] Speaker B: Yeah.
So Stephanie Chaplin is the witch skin in Monster Hearts 2 by Avery Alder. She is from the show the Valkyrie Cycle, which is a limited series. I guess it's kind of a one season complete arc and that story is done for the most part. She's still rumbling around in my head though.
I think about her often.
She's head cheerleader, she's mean.
She's a mean girl. She has magic that she, at least at the start of the season, is very much just hexing people because she. They got in her way and has a lot of feelings, is closeted bisexual.
And like, I made her because. Well, the short story is I watched Jennifer's body with my friends and I was like, what if I played a Jennifer Check character?
[00:03:53] Speaker A: Incredible. Incredible.
[00:03:55] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:03:58] Speaker B: But I like Jennifer Cech. I absolutely see as a character who is like figuring out her sexuality and her desires. And I don't like there is bisexual representation in media. I personally identify as pansexual under the bisexual umbrella.
And if there's like a specific kind of thing that I have experienced that I haven't always seen in media of having these heteronormative, like views that don't really come from anywhere but like pop culture, like even having the most like progressive Parents.
There is just this, like, if you listen to a lot of Taylor Swift, for example.
[00:04:59] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:04:59] Speaker B: You're like, okay, well, maybe I have feelings for my best friend and we've, like, kissed about it. But, like, I need to be dating the football star. Like, I need to, like, you know, marry a man. And those, like, aren't specifically things that I've experienced, but I kind of turned up that all up to 11 with Stephanie. And I love the game Monster Hearts. I love, like, how volatile. I mean, that's one of the moves. But, like, how just, like, teen angst, like, most intense your emotions can be because magic and supernatural and the end of the world is involved in the case of Valkyrie cycle, especially.
Yeah. So she's. She's my little. She's my little girl. She's my. My. My demon. My girl boss who's deeply. Also deeply sad because she's. Yes. She's like. She's 18 and she should know better. She shouldn't be such a bully. But she had.
Doesn't really love herself or doesn't really know how to love herself. And that's kind of a little summary. Hopefully that isn't like, that gives enough context for someone who hasn't listened to the show.
[00:06:30] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I think that's. I think you painted a very good picture. You're saying this. My question. How old is Stephanie? You said teen angst. Are they, like, still under 20? Are they early 20s?
[00:06:42] Speaker B: Yeah, she's 18. She's senior year of high school.
[00:06:45] Speaker A: Oh, yeah.
[00:06:48] Speaker B: And, like, yeah, her. Her. One of her biggest motivations was she's gonna be prom queen because that's. That's more important than graduation.
[00:07:01] Speaker A: Obviously.
[00:07:02] Speaker B: Gotta be. You gotta be prom queen. And. Oh, my God, the lights just went out on us.
[00:07:08] Speaker A: The lights just went out on us.
I don't know where the sensor is. Keep talking.
[00:07:15] Speaker B: Yeah.
Oh, there it is.
Yes. So she's a teen.
She's a young adult.
And all of the other characters around her are 17, 18.
I myself am 24. When I made her and was playing her, I was 22. So I was in my senior year of college, definitely removed from high school, but still, it's still recent enough that, like, I remember all of those feelings. And I think that that was something that was, like, really crucial to the Valkyries cycle. And, like, the Cromwell Chronicles, too, was like the season that we made before the Valkyries cycle, which was like, this group of me and my friends, these young adult creatives who are telling stories about young adults and teenagers, and there's like absolutely. Like so many. There's so many stories that are like, oh, let's tell, let's play high schoolers. But they're people in their 30s. And I think that is like, yeah, you still want to explore that part of yourself. But I was closer to that point in my life.
[00:08:44] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I get that. Like when the experience is still fresh, it's still like it has informed who you are, but still informing who you are. I think it's, it's really interesting like playing a character so that far so close. I do the same thing. For me, a lot of my characters tend to be minimum of mid 20s. I actually like to play characters older than me. One of my prominent characters is actually like a 50 year old mom.
[00:09:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:09:12] Speaker A: Doing adventuring stuff for various reasons in goblets and gays. So that kind of stuff.
I think that's very fun to play on that. I think that's a very good point of doing that because sometimes you get to. You just study. Sometimes you get to be with who are like mid-30s, late-30s. Going back to like playing a high schooler. Like I, you know what, I just did this in the game and. But I pulled from nothing but nostalgia of playing someone, a high schooler in 2005 specifically, instead of doing modern day, which I guess is this like a modern day story.
[00:09:48] Speaker B: So it's a very specific period piece in that it's set in 2017.
[00:09:54] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:09:55] Speaker B: Which like, I don't even really know exactly why that year. I think because 2017 was like. So I graduated high school in 2018.
In 2017.
I mean a lot happened to me. 2018.
I don't know, something about 2017. It just like felt like the right time. Like when I was in high school. It was.
And so one of the things that I think is like such a small little detail, but I love is that we. There is a significant plot point that happens because characters have Snapchat and can see each other's locations on Snap maps.
[00:10:41] Speaker A: That's incredible. I love pulling stuff like that. That's so good because Snap maps didn't stay forever. Right.
[00:10:47] Speaker B: I don't. Well also so many people don't use Snapchat exactly.
[00:10:50] Speaker A: Snapchat is like kind of like people still do use it in the day of our Anti Lore 2024.
Surprisingly, I still like hearing oh, let me snap that to you. Like what'd you say?
[00:11:04] Speaker B: But like the, like everyone using it was high school.
[00:11:11] Speaker A: Yes. No, in that time frame. I mean 2017, I was out of high school. But I still use it, actually, because it was what people were using.
[00:11:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:19] Speaker A: Wild.
[00:11:22] Speaker B: Yeah. The other thing I want to say while I'm still kind of thinking about like, being a teen or like playing, being young adult, playing a teen, is that I did, as I was saying, like, I kind of like turned up all these, like, feelings about, like, internalized homophobia, trying to figure out, like, how do I actually have feelings for this, like, girl, best friend? Like, I turned all of that up to 11.
I didn't really come to terms with my sexuality until I was in college, but I did have, like, it was new friends, but it was people who I was like, kind of like, how do I. What we. What is this relationship? Like, what. How do I feel about this person? And like, that can happen at other points in your life. Absolutely. There's, you know, there's people who like, you know, come out, you know, in their 50s and things. But to me, it was at that point in my life of being kind of young and coming to terms and figuring things out that like, for a story of sexuality and identity, high school is just. Was just the perfect setting for it.
[00:12:36] Speaker A: That's incredible. I love that so much.
This leads me to my next question, which normally I think is not necessarily easier question was easier to pull from. But for an 18 year old, what is something that they know is an infallible truth? Do they have anything that they know is an infallible truth? Because I guess when I was that age, when I was up until maybe five years ago, I thought I knew everything. Everyone, every young adult believes they know and understand the world. And the world always fits in your face and be like, no, you don't know shit.
How did Stephanie feel about that? Do they have that feeling at all?
[00:13:21] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a really, really good question. Because if I'm trying to, like, really, like, put myself in her mind, especially at like the start of the game, there was so little that she kind of like, she both took everything seriously and nothing seriously.
And I think the one thing that, like, to her felt like an absolute truth about the world is people see you and see what you do and the way you move, like, they see you and they judge you. Everyone likes, even from your family members who, you know, say they love you so much and they do, but they expect certain things from you.
Your classmates expect certain things from you. You expect certain, certain things of yourself. Like, that is like this kind of.
And what this specific expectation is, it depends, you know, go to a good college or be the prom queen, but that There, like, people think about you and care about you, and you have to kind of, like, you have to fit that. And even if you don't fit that, like, if you are like, oh, like, I think Stephanie very much, like, she wore this, like, bitch and, like, mean girl as, like, a bit of pride because it's like, well, even in Monster Hearts, the game itself is, like, their labels that you give people, and it has a lot of power. And she.
To survive is to embody what people expect of you, I guess is how I'd come down to, like, one summary.
[00:15:56] Speaker A: You.
[00:15:58] Speaker B: You have to be mean because you've already. You've always been mean. Or, like, you. You have to date a guy because that's what all the other girls do.
[00:16:13] Speaker A: Okay, okay, this. This almost leads into it, but has there been a specific moment where something that they thought was true was shattered in front of them at any part of their story? But has there been a moment where that happened and, like, not only was it shattered, but, like, it shook them?
[00:16:36] Speaker B: Yeah, I.
One thing about Steffi, so she's the witch and she has magic, but she didn't really, like, take that part seriously because it was just kind of fun. It was like her origin was Tumblr. Like, she just kind of, like, looked some stuff up online and was like, ooh, I could do that, though. She may. I do kind of see her as having, like, a lot of just, like, magic inside her. It's not that she's just, like, wielding spells, but, like.
And she.
I don't know. I think she.
When she. She ends up hurting people with the spells that she does, and that shakes her because she's like, oh, my God, this is. This is serious. Like, they're one of the witch spells. Ring of Lies is if you. Basically, they get a ringing in their ear if they lie. And it has really extreme consequences for really extreme lies. And so there was an NPC that was really important to her ex boyfriend, who she was still trying. She cared about, but, like, they were basically beards for each other.
And she ends up. He ends up going to the hospital because she cast Ring of Flies on him. And she's really, like, really, like, oh, my God. But that's still kind of in her.
It shook her, but it's still within the truth of feeling like, okay, like, I have this, like, responsibility to like, if. When I act within a certain role, like, that, like, that affects the world. And, like, I think I'm trying to think if there's one moment where this universal truth of being like, you have to fit the expectations of people have for you. Was truly challenged and she put less pressure on herself. And I think it kind of just came from the stakes being changed because she realized, oh, with this fun magic that I'm doing, wait, there's a whole bunch of other supernatural stuff. Like other people are werewolves and like chosen ones. And there's this problem and the world's gonna end. Okay. I kind of need to put my personal issues on the back burner, like.
And yeah, she also, I think she also had a really important conversation with her mom about halfway through our game in our season because she got attacked by one of the werewolves and ended up in the hospital and was really sad and her mom was trying to take care of her and she was kind of just like laid it all out of like, I need to be perfect, I need to be the prom queen, I need to be all these things. And her mom's just like, no, like, all that matters right now is that you're safe and that I love you. And like, that kind of helped, kind of grounded her and changed her a bit. But I could definitely see a Stephanie, even at kind of the end of the campaign, post campaign, who still is like trying to be a better person and trying to be like, okay, my, my actions have consequences and. But then taking that too seriously.
[00:20:55] Speaker C: Yeah, I could see that.
[00:20:57] Speaker A: I understand how you would get to that from just hearing their story.
[00:21:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:21:04] Speaker A: I. So we. I think we're almost to the reading, but one question before we get there.
As an 18 year old witch with an impending end of the world prophecy perhaps coming to fruition.
Is there one specific thing that they need questions or answers for? Like, what would they be? What would make them sit down and like actually get a wreath?
[00:21:37] Speaker B: Well, so I'll say there's a character, another npc, who is another witch who's this kind of maternal grandmotherly figure rather, who does tarot readings for different characters. And Stephanie stumbled into her shop, wasn't really trying to get.
She was trying to see maybe she could get advice. But it ended up being like, hello, I can look into your soul now. And seeking out advice.
Like, yeah, with the end of the world. Like, she did, she did kind of go. Her. The NPC's name is Penny. And she did go to Penny a bit, being like, hey, what do I do? Like, I don't know really who to trust, you know, like, but going to. I almost feel like to get real like introspection into herself, someone would have to come to her or it would be post canon after the world is safe, that she's like, okay, well, I guess maybe I should work on myself. But even then, someone might need to come to her and be like, hey.
[00:23:15] Speaker A: So this, it would be a happenstance.
[00:23:18] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:23:19] Speaker A: Kind of like a jump scare for Stephanie almost.
Okay. Okay. I think, Yeah, I mean, I get that. I think if you're in that position, like, do you like, just like do you think they'd ever ask advice like, how do I actually become prom queen?
[00:23:37] Speaker B: She thought, she thought she knew how to be prom queen, which was let me bully everyone into voting for me. And then, and then oops, oops, oops.
That kind of backfired.
Yeah, I kind of feel like the, the, the head. Yeah, like kind of the head space of just being like, who am I? Is what you? I mean, if she would come to ask for advice for something, it would be like, let me find my little Stephanie voice.
How do I. Like, how do. Okay. Like, I'm trying to get better at my magic.
So I guess like tarot is something that people do to like meditate or whatever. So I guess maybe that like would help me like get better at my magic or something.
[00:24:58] Speaker A: Okay. Okay.
I think this will be interesting. Why don't we, why don't we jump into the actual reading?
[00:25:05] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:25:07] Speaker A: I in the audience have a good thing. So I'm gonna move the mic, slash my phone, gonna put the cards more center for us.
[00:25:20] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:25:20] Speaker A: Stuff around.
[00:25:21] Speaker C: Hello. Hello.
[00:25:22] Speaker A: Hi.
[00:25:22] Speaker C: Welcome to the mid roll for this episode.
Thanks for listening to this first kind of like live ish in person episode. It was kind of done, not necessarily on the whim. I knew I wanted to record something. When I went to big badcon, which is what this was, and Saffron was there, we were already talking about doing this, so we just did it in person.
So the audio is. I worked with it. It's not as good as I would have it normally be, but it's. I think it's still manageable.
But yeah, this is great doing these in person because there's a couple that you'll hear at some point or another, but they're really fun. It's really like such like a different vibe than doing it on here. Not that I don't love doing it in general, but yeah, thanks for listening. But yeah, I'm here to talk about Saffron. Saffron's great. If you haven't I mentioned award winning. If you haven't looked up I was a teenage witch or I am a teenage witch. One of those Two I'll have to write them in the description.
It won award for best, I think concert actual play at New Jersey Webfest, which is a solo like actual video, actual play. It's really fun. You should please check it out.
Also, we heard us mention the thing that we do work together on. Well, that is actually out. You could go to Queen's Court Games where you'll join Saffron, Jen Burb V for vampire and GM Aubrey for a Buffy the Vampire Slayer action play.
I don't know anything about Buffy, but I had a great time. It's a very fun group. Everyone works together very well. Aubrey's just incredible gm. You've heard them a couple episodes ago. They're the GM for Robinson Gays. Yeah, definitely checked it out. That one should also be in the description. Should be live on Mondays when this comes out, which is November 29th today. So around this time frame and will be released on Queen's court games YouTube after the fact. So go check that out. You can also check out all of Saffron's other stuff like if you go to the website at gobhepta card with two Rs. Co.
Also check out the Valkyrie cycle, which is where Stefan the character comes from, which
[email protected] the Valkyrie cycle.
But yeah, check those out. Saffron is a very like wonderfully creative mind to bounce off of and just talk to and like listen to their work. So definitely check all their work out. And yeah, we're going to get into the reading.
Bye.
[00:28:25] Speaker A: So Saf, Stephanie, please set the scene for us of where this happenstance would happen. Where. Where would Stephanie be that they just walk into maybe a stand. Walk into a part are happened upon somewhere where a cardomancer or someone seeking to help them to find them.
[00:28:47] Speaker B: Okay. I kind of really like the setting of a house party. We have a couple of house parties.
Very high school. You know, maybe it's. You know, there's some. A game with a rival school and there's some. You know, it's. But it ends up being a mix of students. It's not just people from her high school or she just. She.
And yeah, in this place where it's between. Between her different romantic entanglements.
I kind of like will play a single Stephanie.
And yeah, so like kind of music that's kind of heavy bass.
Someone probably rich kid's house. There's lots of different rooms and red solo cups and that kind of thing. And then in the corner of maybe a living room, a fireplace there's some. Maybe it's a little bit quieter. The music's in one of the other rooms. There's some people chatting on a couch. And then over, kind of sitting at a coffee table, there's someone with tarot cards.
[00:30:03] Speaker A: Yeah, I think how it's working is like this music is learning. And then you're kind of looking around and you see an unfamiliar figure to you.
Maybe they live here. Maybe it's someone that just happened to go to school. But you see someone in like a black hoodie. They're wearing dark sunglasses inside. And just like looking, it's like, hey, you're. You're. You're Susie.
[00:30:30] Speaker B: Stephanie.
[00:30:31] Speaker A: Oh, Stephanie. Right, right, right, right. Hey, why don't you come over here? Why don't you rest? So get away from all the music and stuff. What, how, how the party kind of blows, right?
[00:30:45] Speaker B: The timing really funny.
[00:30:48] Speaker A: The lights turned off again.
[00:30:50] Speaker B: Hold up, hold.
[00:30:52] Speaker A: Where is the sensor?
That was really good. Let me take that just last part again.
[00:30:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:31:02] Speaker A: I make you that.
[00:31:04] Speaker B: So fun.
[00:31:06] Speaker A: Yeah, the party really blows, huh?
[00:31:09] Speaker B: I mean, there's free booze, so it doesn't like, it's not a complete waste.
[00:31:19] Speaker A: I don't know. That's a. That's like three year olds at least.
[00:31:23] Speaker B: What? Sorry, who are you?
[00:31:27] Speaker A: I'm just vibing. I'm just here, you know, I have a. And they're going to kind of like re. Center the deck and kind of closer to you and tap it. Like. I have these cards. I've been doing like fun readings for people. Kind of like to get like a check on them, see how their feelings are.
You know, people have questions. I just kind of like hang around.
[00:31:52] Speaker B: I mean, okay, sure, tell me about myself. She'll like put, you know, whip her long red hair that she has behind her shoulder and kind of sit down and lean in.
[00:32:06] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah. So these are. They're tarot cards. I'm gonna show you like, you know, tarot has power in how much you give it, but it also allows you to seek into yourself, seek about your problems or, you know, things that you're thinking about. Not. Not everyone has problems, am I right? But. So they're going to take three deep blue tarot cards and place them in front of you next to each other.
So these, these readings. And tarot has like a lot of different ways you can interpret it. A lot of people see this as they're gonna point each card to do a start from left to right. The past, the present, the future. You know, kind of like figuring out who you were who you are and who you will be. I like to see it as an extension of that as it's first card is going to kind of be like the root of your problems or the root of like what's bothering you, what's bugging you. This middle card is kind of direct correlation to that where like this is. This is the root. This is the trunk of the tree of problems, which is like my favorite Scholl Silverstein book.
And then this last one is really interesting. It's kind of puts everything into perspective. Perspective of this. If this is your problem this was causing you. This is actually a secret third thing that is really affecting it way more than you think. And if this is like, you know, the roots, the tree, this is the branches with fruit that you didn't knew it grew.
Does that make sense? It's kind of like, you know, I may have found some trees myself. Am I right?
[00:33:57] Speaker B: Yeah, sure. Whatever.
I mean.
Yeah.
Yeah. Tell me. Tell me what you think is wrong with me.
[00:34:08] Speaker A: Well, I'm just going to interpret these cards. So if you're ready. Yeah. They're gonna go over and flip over the first card.
All right. All right. All right. Well, this is the sword. So this is the Nine of Swords.
This is really gonna be.
Nine of Swords is really about worry about feeling guilt, being anguished about something in your life, whether you are working towards it or not.
So I don't know, you feeling.
Feeling guilt about something?
[00:34:50] Speaker B: Guilt?
I mean, I don't have to tell you that.
[00:35:01] Speaker A: No, you don't have to tell me anything. But it seems like you gotta tell yourself, right.
[00:35:08] Speaker B: Maybe that what is. So. So what? Like, are these. Are these other cards gonna offer solutions for that guild?
[00:35:24] Speaker A: So. Not necessarily solutions. I. I don't have answers.
These cards don't have answers. I think the only way you're gonna get answers is they're gonna like point to you. It's like, I think it's you, but you don't know the answers yet. There. Something's hiding them. Like this card. And they're gonna go towards the middle.
Oh, interesting. More.
More daggers. This is the Ten of Swords.
So the Ten of Swords is really. This is like about being like you're being the victim. You're being victimized or you're being a martyr for something or even you're crashing, you're bottoming out. You're.
Something about all this guilt is really affecting you to the point of ADD stuff.
[00:36:25] Speaker B: Oh yeah. I mean, I might have had some fights with some friends that didn't go too well.
[00:36:56] Speaker A: I don't think about it. You need to tell me that much. But I mean, sounds like maybe you're a victim figuring it out.
[00:37:02] Speaker B: So, so, so that you're saying what this is like it's a me affecting me emotionally.
[00:37:17] Speaker A: Yeah, I. I mean, it kind of feels like whatever you're going through is heading towards a cliff with a no parachute or no airbag on the bottom.
[00:37:28] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I don't like the sound of that.
[00:37:33] Speaker A: I. Again, I'm just reading the cards.
Hey, hey. Good, good, you know, good feelings. Let's, you know, let's see. Maybe. Maybe there's something nice here.
The last card, the deck is feeling a little bit. This is the eight of swords.
So this kind of tie it all together. This really, I guess, is a confusing process.
Not only is this all this guilt, all this possible burnout is not making you feel confused, but you're also feeling like you don't have the power to stop it, that you're stuck or restricted or anything like that. That it's just kind of what it's gonna be by the cards, of course.
[00:38:34] Speaker B: Yeah, well, I mean, at a certain point, I mean, there's not much you can change.
[00:38:46] Speaker A: Well, so these cards are the power that you give them. And really these change is something that I don't think is ever impossible as just like your local guide here or your local reader. But if I were to look into this, that whatever the cause of your problem is, just anything guilt, anything worry, and this is building upon you and that's caused by you not feeling like you could stop it or not feeling like there's anything in the in that could help you along the way. The. You're at the bottom of a well with no rope. But if you're able to really open up about that or, you know, kind of understand that this. And they're going to point to the eight of swords is not really how it should be, that this. If you take this away, then they're going to push it towards you and kind of pull the dinosaurs back. This may actually go away as well.
And of course, in turn, you know, no burnout, no crash, no parachute. Well, yes parachute, but no cliffs.
[00:40:02] Speaker B: So. So you're saying, like, if all the friends I thought I had maybe abandoned me and I, you know, I. There's no, there's. There's. There. You could repair that. You could. You can mend those friendships.
[00:40:27] Speaker A: Oh, I'm thinking anything could be mended. You just, you know, you gotta come to terms with it. Figure out why those friendships? Why those arguments happen if it's because you thought that you had to leave them behind? And those were actually the excuse, the term, but like, you know, the wind beneath your wings, release your inhibitions, that kind of stuff.
[00:40:51] Speaker B: Saying, I need to go feel the rain on my skin.
[00:40:55] Speaker A: I mean, sometimes, look, Gary Clarkson is a prophet.
[00:41:01] Speaker B: Sure. Okay.
So I. There's a.
There really is a lot of swords here.
[00:41:14] Speaker A: A lot of the swords, a lot of daggers and a lot of this, like these swords that represent what you know. You know the term, like there's. The closest enemy is the one that has a dagger to your throat, but that could also be your friend. There's also, you know, using daggers to stab those in the back that you thought you would. It's kind of like that's kind of what this suit represents, is that you have to understand that, yes, there are protection, but most likely these daggers, these swords are used for destruction.
[00:41:46] Speaker B: And that's.
That's all the people that I know, they. They're the ones holding the swords.
[00:41:56] Speaker A: Not necessarily.
I mean, it could be that you're the one with the dagger at your waist and you realize that it's not really there to help you. It's just kind of severing connections.
[00:42:13] Speaker B: Oh.
Oh.
So that's.
That's sad, but.
Sorry, you don't tell me these car. You don't know anything about me. You don't. You haven't talking.
[00:42:38] Speaker A: I. I only heard your name because someone called it from across the way. I, I. Yeah, I just kind of. I'm here. I just vibe. I go to these parties and stuff.
[00:42:47] Speaker B: Because I've never seen you before.
[00:42:48] Speaker A: Yeah, that sounds about right.
[00:42:51] Speaker B: You haven't been overhearing some rumors or something?
[00:42:55] Speaker A: No, no, no. That's not my vibe.
[00:42:58] Speaker B: These are just the cards.
[00:43:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I shuffled them right in front of you.
[00:43:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
Huh.
And you're saying there's not a. There's not a.
There's not a solution other than like letting go.
[00:43:21] Speaker A: I am just interpreting the cards. I think if that you think is what your solution is, because the solution will always be inside you. And if that's what you think it is, I think maybe it's time to let go.
Do a trust. Fall into the arms of your friends and hope that they'll catch you, because at the end of the day, they're still your friends.
[00:43:45] Speaker B: Okay.
You know, I would really not listen to you or trust anything you're saying, but, you know, this is really hits.
Well, it's reminding me of some things. So well, yeah, that's a nice, nice party.
[00:44:15] Speaker A: Nice party. Hey, why don't you. I heard Bill Thalamu over there is getting another round of drinks. Maybe.
[00:44:22] Speaker B: Sorry, Bartholomew.
[00:44:24] Speaker A: No, Bill Thalamu, that's our, that's our Thalamu's cousin. Arthalamu actually goes to the college down the way.
[00:44:30] Speaker B: Okay, Bill. Okay, I'll go.
Yeah, yeah. Don't, don't tell anyone what I told you.
[00:44:41] Speaker A: I, I, I'm only here to interpret and, but you know, if you need to talk to me again, I'm sure you'll be able to find me. I like to drink with these parties.
[00:44:53] Speaker B: Okay, bye.
She gets up and walks away.
[00:45:01] Speaker A: And I think, yeah, you get up. You get up and kind of mail into the party where Bill Fallow is handing out red solo cups. And you see this person kind of like, lean back in their seat. They do a large stretch. And the camera view, you see someone walks by, by, and this dude just like, gone. Oh, I think that's where we'll end the reading.
[00:45:23] Speaker B: Lovely.
[00:45:24] Speaker A: Hot. So lots of swords.
[00:45:28] Speaker B: Lots of swords.
[00:45:30] Speaker A: This, this is his deck's first reading, but it felt very poignant.
[00:45:35] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:45:37] Speaker A: How so? At what point was this, this is pre the story, right?
[00:45:43] Speaker B: This is. Honestly, I was thinking end, mid or.
[00:45:49] Speaker A: Oh, kind of like in the middle of what's happening.
[00:45:52] Speaker B: Mid or, or end. I don't know. There's, well, here, I'll say this, There is one. The thing, honestly, that I probably think about the most after the story ended, that is still this unresolved point with Stephanie was she had a friendship that, with someone who was kind of like, she thought they were close friends, but it turns out, like, he never really liked her and she really hurt his boyfriend before she realized that they were dating. And the, the boyfriend was the werewolf, and the werewolf kind of ended up forgiving her, but the friend, his boyfriend didn't. And it's just really, I don't know, so, like, guilt and like, burning out and being like, the complicatedness of relationships is very much like, in the middle, toward the, or even after canon of the arc of, like, that's, that's, that's a mindset for Stephanie. And I think that there is pre canon, there's maybe a little build of guilt. She's like, maybe I shouldn't be such a mean girl, but she's also kind of like, that's what people expect of me. That's what the role I'm gonna have is. And then later it's, yeah, I don't know. This is like, absolutely a reading for stuff I still think about that technically never got resolved with her character, basically. So it's very, like, interesting to be. To just. Yeah, I'm just like, that's where my mind went to, I guess. And that's what's still on my mind of like, me being like, now I'm like, we don't want to. Maybe I should try to run a little, like just little post canon, one little conversation that they could like, try to talk through some stuff or work through some stuff. I was like, yeah, maybe within me, Stephanie still carrying that guilt and that weight.
[00:47:59] Speaker A: Yeah, I guess so.
It does really feel. I think. I think that would be really good to like, kind of like have that. That. That. It seems like it's still a point of conflict.
[00:48:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:13] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, that's what. That's what these readings are for.
[00:48:16] Speaker B: That's so. It's so interesting that I feel like this ended up saying as much about me and how the thoughts that I have about Stephanie as it does about Stephanie herself.
[00:48:29] Speaker A: I mean, all of our characters are part of us, right?
[00:48:31] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
[00:48:33] Speaker A: Well, I thought this was very good. Before we head out, Saffron, where again you will find and all your work.
[00:48:42] Speaker B: Yeah, pretty much at Galpefta. G A U B H E F T A. That's. I have a YouTube channel where I have some solo projects on that. I have an Instagram and Twitter. I'm going to try to get on Blue sky more.
I have a card which is again, if you like, search Gal Hefta card. That's C A R R D. Hopefully that should come up. That has links to all of my. It's like a little mini portfolio of links to all projects. But yeah, Stephanie is part of the Valkyrie cycle, which you can find on all podcasts, Pod catchers, wherever you listen to podcasts and on midnightceremoniesmedia.com beautiful.
[00:49:32] Speaker A: Well, definitely go check these out. Figure out where. Try to pinpoint the part of Valkyrie cycle that this happened.
[00:49:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:40] Speaker A: And then go listen to the rest. Well, listen to the whole thing, obviously, but. Yeah, but other than your guide.
And that will be it. Remember, guidance will find you whether you like it or not.
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